yes --very glad to hear from you ..and yes I enjoyed the symposium ..and there have been quite a few I could not follow ..So I am interested to look at the videos again and to ask for more information.
As you already know I startet with the "Rand-Keyboard" Prensentation ..and thanks to Yair`s kind support I am on my way to get more familiar with that although there is still a long way to go to really understand..smile
My question to you about FSW:
As far as I understand ...Your development of FSW - Data allows people in the future to post messages written in SignWriting on any (??) website on the Internet once the Unicode symbols are ...what? People do not longer have to open these documents in a special SignWriting Program but can look at nicely presented SignWriting notations. Is that correct?
I personally like the freedom to create documents with different workflows ...So to type directly with the "Rand-Keyboard" would be fun. On the other hand I do have a lot of practice and therefore this method is pretty effective, I look for a program that "translates" search-words by SignWriting-Entries...and look whether YOU opened the option to copy the FSW data.Can you please explain..what are the methods at the moment to get this kind of Data?
As far as I know:
1) "Rand-Keyboard"2) SignMaker 20153) SignPuddle (Dictionary)M602x606S2d320454x528S35000398x484S20300437x548S20300433x565S37806403x573S37806452x556S34700428x484S36100458x484S35d04505x482S34c00535x482S33b00566x482S10011558x576S10019534x576S10031558x533S10039531x533S2d606578x559S2d61e515x561
4) SignPuddle Literature Dictionary (love that !!)
AS1eb20S15a37S26a07S20e00M527x522S15a37473x483S1eb20486x503S20e00498x492S26a07506x477 AS18720S18720S2d606S2d61eS20300S20300S2fb00M526x540S18720504x511S18720479x511S2d606504x484S2d61e474x485S2fb00492x478S20300506x460S20300480x460 AS18040S18048S26500S2f900S36100M519x584S18040488x569S18048466x528S26500489x549S2f900491x541S36100482x482 M533x530S15a56506x493S14c52480x474S20e00491x501S26c00484x515S22522467x470
Last question ..do not feel pushed...You think some time the wonderful SignMail option will work again??
Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Stephen E Slevinski Jr
Gesendet: Samstag, 1. August 2015 16:27
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Betreff: Report from Steve's desk
Hi SignWriting list,
I hope everyone enjoyed the symposium this year. I enjoyed everypresentation I understood, and even the ones I didn't. I look forwardto the English translations.
In the past 3 weeks, I have created 5 presentations. I was onlysupposed to create 2 for the symposium, but new topics kept coming upand I was in the groove.
Please feel free to contact me on the list or privately about any ofthese presentations.
------------------------The SignWriting Stack 2015
This is a general overview of the technologies related to SignWritingand the best practices for online use and development.
-----------------------------------The Use and Structure of SignMaker 2015
SignMaker is an amazing sign editor and dictionary. SignMakerhighlights many of the advantages to the Formal SignWriting design. Thesearching possible and the huge sorted dictionaries make me smile.
I have it on my desktop and use it to view/edit whatever FormalSignWriting strings I see. I smiled when I saw Stefan's name signappear in well formed FSW.
For an even deeper analysis of the FSW, I use the sw10js API page. APIstands for application programming interface. On the API page, you cananalyze symbol keys, FSW strings, and query strings.
------------------------------------SignWriting in an ASCII World
This presentation goes in depth into the ASCII markups and definitions.It explains the small subset of Regular Expressions that SignWritingleverages for definition and searching.
SignWriting data has been stable in Formal SignWriting since January 12,2012 in ASCII. The ASCII implementation is half the size of anequivalent Unicode solution. It is 4 times faster to process ASCII thanthe equivalent Unicode.
-----------------------------------What about Unicode? (Part 1)
Issues with SignWriting in Unicode 8
I haven't seriously considered Unicode since 2011. We have differentideas. The history of the Unicode 8 proposal and a detailed analysiscan be found in this presentation.
I was fortunate to be able to attend a Unicode Technical Committee justthis past week. It was a group of about a dozen experts in scriptencoding, linguistics, and character encoding. Everyone introducedthemselves by their name and then the company, such as MicroSoft, Apple,Google, IBM, Adobe, ...
I was proud to introduce myself as Steve Slevinski, Center for SuttonMovement Writing. Val made this trip possible. Thanks Val.
I was informed that there are at least 2 people working on SignWriting:one at MicroSoft and one at Google. They will be using the tools I'veprovided to implement their solution. They don't know how to do it, sothey were interested in my work and grateful for the information I haveprovided.
Over 2 days, I was able to present 4 different times. I used the aboveslideshow twice on the first day. We argued and discussed and I earnedtheir respect.
I was able to explain my issues with SignWriting in Unicode 8. They nowagree that the Unicode 8 proposal is insufficient and has serious issues.
-----------------------------------What about Unicode? (Part 2)
Thanks to the UTC
After the first day, I rushed back to the hotel and prepared a secondslideshow. It's much shorter, but there are several powerful slide thatsilenced and room and one person exclaimed. "Wow. That's huge." (slide6). This slide was the turning point.
Now there is another Unicode expert who is interested in working onSignWriting. They asked that I provide several examples in my variousformats: PNG image, Formal SignWriting, PUA Plane 15, and PUA Plane16. They admitted that we do things with SignWriting that they can notdo with Unicode. I told them that we are in production; we can writeevery sign language and any facial expression today.
They agreed to seriously consider my proposals. Because we have such alarge set of data, they agreed to the idea of 1) being able to convertfrom FSW to a future Unicode design and 2) being able to convert back toFSW from the future Unicode design.
Full speed ahead with Formal SignWriting. 3 1/2 years of stability andforward compatibility with Unicode 9, 10, 11 or whenever we have aworkable Unicode solution.
So the Unicode process has been successfully rebooted. Unicode 8 isfine to use for prototyping, and this is what the big corporationsneeded to begin using SignWriting, but Unicode 8 for SignWriting needsmajor revisions and additional work. They could simply adopt my work,but they are uncomfortable with freeform 2-dimensional creation of signs.
We who use SignWriting are playing the long game. We still have firstgeneration writers. Imagine the written sign language world when wehave several generations with the tradition of writing!
I plan to write a more detailed blog for Gerard about the future ofsignlanguage Wikipedia projects and how Unicode fits into the design.
Now I'm going on a weeks vacation.
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