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Hi Stefan and everyone,

Stefan:  thank you so much for your answer.  I am sorry that you feel
blessed.  Please forgive me.

Best regards,

André

De :  Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]>
Répondre à :  "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages"
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Date :  Sun, 02 Aug 2015 13:43:00 +0200
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Objet :  AW: The "Rand-Keyboard"  How to start

Hi André and everyone,
 
well you ask me whether I am able to write a sentence or even more with the
SW-DOS Keyboard... 
 
For more information follow the link
http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/lisbon/lisbon02.html
<http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/lisbon/lisbon02.html>
 
 
My answer to your question is ³YES, I can²  smile  But it takes time... and
that is my problem.
 
I became an expert on writing documents with this programm. And in addition
to that I have to explain that I wrote one entry after the other in order to
create a dictionary to work with.
 
So in the end ..I would not want to type any document sign by sign from
scratch .again (!!!) ..no way.
 
Once the dictionary contains the entries I need I feel very happy to just do
this look for sign...check the spelling... copy it into the document.  This
is going really very fast (!) ..and it is so much fun!
 
Our new modern DELEGS Programm allows that as well and in addition to that
our software-developper offer neat tools to allow the teacher to create
quickly wonderful teaching materials with different options...
 
Yo say: If not, snap, sniffŠ.
 
Well there is no problem whatsoever. I feel blessed to be in the position
after all these years ­ well I started with this project about 1998... to
use the software we have these days...
 
So as I mentioned before ..my first goal is not to become a perfect
keyboard-writer but to create lots and lots of worksheets for my students no
matter which method is needed.
 
At the same time ...right now I feel very motivated to become an expert on
the new ³Rand-Keyboard². As soon as I feel that way I will let you know
..smile. 
 
 
FSW Data for that :
 
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Would be fun to create a screenshot-movi documenting at what speed a
newcomer is able to write with that after some hours of practice!
 
 
 
Take care 
 
Stefan 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von André Thibeault
Gesendet: Samstag, 1. August 2015 02:29
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Betreff: Re: The "Rand-Keyboard" How to start
 

Hi Stefan and everyone,
 
Stefan writes: ³ Does it make sense to learn to write with that. (I hesitate
to write the word ³write²... seems too difficult ..seems to last soooo long
to just create one single sign. Cannot believe to type a sentence like
³HELLO, MY NAME WHAT STEFAN SIGNNAME  (³DO YOU GET IT²)²
 
Stefan: You mentioned that you have experience in using an old SWDOS
program.  I am not talking about a new Rand-keyboard, but an old
SWDOS-keyboard.  
 
I am just curious: by using an old SWDOS, could you type a single sentence
such as the gloss above?
 
If so, it is an old but wonderful program!   With the same old program, I
imagine that you could also and easily type 15 different sentences (a
paragraph), right? 
 
If not, snap, sniffŠ.
 
Best regards,
 
André
 

De : Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]>
Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages"
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Date : Fri, 31 Jul 2015 17:23:48 +0200
À : <[log in to unmask]>
Objet : The "Rand-Keyboard" How to start

 

Hi Valerie and friends on the sw-list,
 
The Symposium 2015 is over and from my point of view  You Valerie and your
team did an excellent job.
 
 
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I bet that all presenters agree that thanks to your way to support us in
before and during our presentations it has been a veryexciting, valuable and
enriching experience without too much pressure. Yourability to set up the
websites to allow anybody to find his way in order tofind the materials,
presentations, presenters, contact information deservesspecial respect!
 
THANKS  for that. 
 
Well so good to know that since all presentations are saved at some place on
the WEB it is so easy to have a second look at a presentation if you want
to. 
 
I do that. And I started with presentation
 
PRESENTATION 41
³The Javascript-based SignWriting
<http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0041.html>  Keyboard for
Use on Wikimedia 
<http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0041.html>
and throughout the Web
<http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0041.html> ²
<http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0007.html> by Yair Rand,
CANADA
 
 
 
hm ... 
 
 
Five minutes later ...
 
 
 
Regarding this presentation about how to use this new technic ... oh ­ I am
so sorry ..I feel completely overwhelmed from the very first beginning.
Reason for that is perhaps that I myself have no confidence in my resources
to learn anything about computersoftware, installing new programms, ....
 
On the other hand ...there are other experiences as well ...smile ... I
became one of the most experienced scribes with the good old SWDOS programm
..and I even travelled around and taught in workshops and at Universities
about that so I had to learn and to understand that. And I did this 15 years
ago!!
 
 
I understand that your perfectly documented tutorial ³SignWriter ...the
world`s first sign Language processor...  ISBN: 0-914336-63-0    which I
bought at that time has been the key to understand how to work with
that...and the many wonderful graphics and screenshots allowed a quick
orientation. 
 
 
But now ... the imagination I should write / type  a single sentence with
this new developed ³Rand-Keyboard² ... no way...!  It is toooooooo
complicated. I will never ever understand that!
 
 
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But then I thought a second time ... Maybe teachers who are in contact with
SignWriting the first time may feel almost the same. So I understand that
there should be the chance to go a different path!
 
One of my students in my class reacts in a way that makes me nervous and
impatient all the time. Just in the beginning of  new theme/subject/task
...he signs ..²Oh my God, this is much too difficult for me. I will never
get that..² 
Wow and I get furious, because I have an exact plan and step by step
strategy to explain to the class what they are expected tolearn within the
next lessons. 
 
Well I try to motivate him to keep his spirits high. I encourage him not to
feel weak or foolish but that it of course will afford him to pay close
attention to what is going on. ..And I promise that once all the other
students already start to do their jobs I will take my time to support him
in a very special one to one contact...
 
This way I learn a lot myself ... for sure. One of the things people always
forget ( and me too) is the fact that I understand new information because I
can use what I already know. (See:  Ausubel whom I mentioned in my
presentation).
 
 But what if the student has no idea about this or that while me as the
teacher took that for granted? ....  kind of basic knowledge... This very
moment he gets lost. And in case I give the impression that I really would
be very disappointed and I really would jugde him as a fool if he admits
that he hasn´t got any clue what I am talking about ... well of course he
tries to hide this, he tries to keep this secret ..and me as the teacher
have no chance to reach out to him.
 
So I am obliged to allow him to lead me in my step by step tutorial. I need
hisquestions in order to follow his way to be able to understand what he
wants to learn. Well and if the student indicates that he is motivated to
undrestand but somehow overwhelmed und and unable to overcome a given
difficulty because there is nothing to connect to ... Well I feel so happy
to try anything to find out together what might help.
 
 
What about this new ³Rand-Keyboard² ????
 
 
 
 
. Does it make sense to learn to write with that. (I hesitate to write the
word ³write²... seems too difficult ..seems to last soooo long to just
create one single sign. Cannot believe to type asentence like ³HELLO, MY
NAME WHAT STEFAN SIGNNAME  (³DO YOU GET IT²)
 
 
I understand that I need to switch in my head. I have to develop a positve
attitude about this new development. I do not understand but can imagine
that it would be of advantage if I would be able to type with that
keyboard..just as I did with the SW-DOS keyboard in 1998.
 
 
 
There is a wonderful slide in the presentation
 
PRESENTATION 42
³Teacher's Attitudes About SignWriting²
<http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0042.html>
by Mohamed AbuShaira & Abd elraroof Mahfooz, SAUDIA ARABIA
 
 
Go to slide number 9 ...   A positive (attitude) helps in ...
 
So yes I want to develop a positive attitude towards the ³Rand-Keyboard² ...
 
 
 
 
So I want to understand more about the background and how to get started.
 
I wrote an  email to Yair Rand. I explained my ideas and asked for special
support. 
 
 
³Do you see a chance to offer some of your precious time for an online 1:1
tutorial? You can guide me ..while I demonstrate to you what a newcomer does
not know...smile?² 
 
I felt so happy when I got the answer that he canoffer this lesson and that
he would set up a Google ­ Hangout   to meet. It has been a tremendous
success! 
 
 
Will report about that later ..;-))
 
Have a beautiful day
 
All best 
 
Stefan 
 
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