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I actually think it might work with the lanes as well by placing the line in lieu of the entire repeated sign in that lane. However, I would have to put aside the writing for a while to see if I can still understand it as a reader without the writing fresh in my mind.


Adam

On Aug 6, 2019, at 8:58 AM, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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Hello Ruben, Adam and everyone -

Thank you so much for your message below. I also tried to paste at the very bottom of this email, the original message from Adam, that was really asking for a "short way to hand write" the repeated motion within vertical Lanes ... so I think we are mixing two different issues - "formal publishing of sign literature" and handwriting or shorthand...

I brought up "publishing in formal SignWriting", which is what the Movement Clusters are used for, simply to point out the differences between handwriting and formal writing... part of the reason that the Movement Clusters work for formal publishing is that SignWriting is used to write many different sign languages in over 40 countries, not just ASL and LIBRAS, so the Movement Clusters give us visual information as to exactly what is happening, which means that foreigners to a sign language can read the exact movements quickly at a visual glance... it enhances reading. 

When we hand write we want to have a quicker way to write things like repeated motion, and I agree the two lines look like an easy way to shorten for quick writing... We need to write a book on SW Handwriting techniques and this could be a part of that book...

I think the research work of Deborah Campos Wanderley and Marianne Rossi Stumpf is very important and I do not want anyone to stop working on research - and of course go right ahead and write as you feel is best for your language. It is important that the next generations move forward with new ideas ;-)

So here is an interesting question - As more and more people write by hand, will it influence the formal writing style used when publishing?

I have noticed some shortcuts that are happening around the world, and this is clearly one of them -

Adam - how do you feel about this? And actually your original question was referring to handwriting placement in Lanes - will the little lines work in handwriting in Lanes? 

Val ;-)

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On Aug 6, 2019, at 7:55 AM, Rubens Almeida <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi everyone, signwriting list!

Hello Adam and Valerie! 

This guideline of writing repeated motions in specific " Movement Clusters " that are established as part of the SignWriting system is in keeping with Madson and Raquel Barreto's information in the book “Escrita de Sinais sem Mistérios”. 

With published research by teachers and researchers Deborah Campos Wanderley and Marianne Rossi Stumpf many of us SignWiriting users started writing using small lines for repeated motion. In fact, I am using this rule as a support for writing my book. 

But with the guidance for using the “Movement Clusters" for repeated motion. I will review my productions and follow the rule of the “Movement Clusters" for repeated motion. 

I will also share this guidance with other SignWriting users here in Brazil through social networks. 

Many thanks Valerie for this important help in this matter, many thanks also to Adam for starting this subject with the question.

- Rubens Almeida

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On Aug 5, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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August 5, 2019

Hi Everyone -
Through experience - years ago - we did discuss this issue.

Small lines for repeated motion certainly can be used for SW Shorthand or Handwriting. For me, I would use those for my personal note-taking ...

But when we are publishing for others to read formal sign language literature, I believe in writing the repeated motions out in specific "movement clusters", which are established as a part of the SignWriting system... there are certain "movement symbol clusters" that are commonly used for plurals ... I want to write a textbook on Movement Symbols, and actually Adam has already created wonderful videos for the Contact Symbols and Finger Movements, which will be the first two chapters of the Movement Symbols textbook. But the "Movement Clusters" for repeated motion will be a chapter in the book. Here are some examples attached. The clusters give the visual feeling of producing the signs with repetitive motion -

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On Aug 5, 2019, at 7:50 PM, Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

So you would be suggesting to use the lines as a way of saying repetition? Interesting.

I guess I could use that as a basis to write something like below to show the movement. If I were to remove the arrow, that would mean repetition without moving?
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On Aug 5, 2019, at 7:40 PM, Rubens Almeida <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hello Adam!
Greetings signwriting list!
Here in Brazil we are using some signwriting referring to the linguistic aspects of the plural marks in the Brazilian Sign Language.
Teachers and researchers Débora Campos Wanderley and Marianne Rossi Stumpf published a scientific article, with the theme: Plural Marking in the Signwriting System: A Morphological Approach. In this article they explain the use of the ending of symbols (I) or (II):
Examples:
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On Aug 4, 2019, at 6:19 PM, Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Quick question from a fellow writer who likes to write by hand quickly. Is it possible, or does anyone have a technique for writing repeated signs like some sort of symbol to mean "repeat the previous word"? 

Take the following sentence for example. The sign for bowl is repeated in three different locations to show three different bowls.
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