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When you mention the wrist flex, it makes a lot of sense why it is written that way. It is true that many people will sign these double numbers with wrist flexes. In fact, this process of transferring point of origin from one joint to another is called proximalization. 

If I needed to detail the difference in the type of movements, the original spelling would be useful to show the movement at the joint. And I guess the suggested writing would work to show the movement from the wrist? If so, then I guess that would be perfect to show the difference in proximalization for that sign.

Now, I am thinking in what is the most simplest way to write and still get the message across. To be honest, I find the curved movement the most simple, but I wanted to check in that what my thought of it meaning is at least understandable.


Adam

> On Aug 8, 2019, at 9:34 AM, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> August 8, 2019
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> OK. Why was the original spelling with flexing wrists?
> 
> When I watched people signing, I saw people making wrist flexing down-down while traveling side, for 22, 33, 44, and so forth...so I wrote it as "Traveling Wrist Flexes"
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> <traveling-wrist-flexes.png>
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> If the wrist is not flexing then of course that is not the right symbol, but it is a good symbol for when there really are traveling wrist flexes ;-)
> 
> You might ask skilled signers how they sign multiple numbers of this kind, to see if anyone flexes their wrists? ... sometimes standardized spellings have to be based on one dialect or style simply because the variation in signing is enormous and choosing one spelling and sticking to it has its advantages - 
> 
> Unless you are a linguist like yourself and need the flexibility of writing all the different variations of producing that sign - SignWriting is fluid and flexible
> 
> Regarding using other Movement Symbols - what is the feeling behind it?
> 
> If 22, 33 and 44 are all curves that is perfect to use the double curves -
> 
> regarding creating new symbols that are cut or changed - of course that can be done writing by hand anytime - and they might be able to be constructed in the ISWA 2010 but it is easier to use a standardized symbol -
> 
> Maybe there is an emphasis on the bottom of each curve? Then you could put a tension symbol or Fast Symbol at that point in the symbol, to show that emphasis...
> 
> Keep posting these questions - I need to stop talking so much and write more SignWriting - I haven't written in years and it is time to start again ;-)
> 
> Val ;-)
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>> On Aug 8, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Adam Frost <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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>> There might be some wrist flexing when making the sign for 22, but it isn’t really necessary. In fact, most instructional materials teaching 22 don’t show any wrist movements.
>> 
>> When we were discussing the movement, the first suggestion was to write a zig-zag movement like below, but then it was countered because the second point “shouldn’t be so sharp, but more of a curve.”
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>> 
>> Then the symbol below was suggested, but "the first bounce should be cut in half to match the movement."
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>> 
>> I tried to construct a small straight down movement connected to a single curve, but it wasn’t working well. That is when the single curve offset from the center somewhat came up. It seems to work, but I just wanted to make sure. ;-)
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>> <namesign.png>
>> Adam
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2019, at 8:41 AM, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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>>> August 8, 2019
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>>> Hi Adam and everyone -
>>> 
>>> Thanks for sharing these questions with us -
>>> 
>>> I hope you all will put in your opinions - this is an interesting topic -
>>> 
>>> I have a question - Is there wrist motion like the sign for YES in the sign for 22? Is it like a "traveling YES"?
>>> 
>>> The original writing with the three arrows was a compromise - it avoided writing the actual Wrist Movement Symbol, but still gave the feeling of "down-down" while it was traveling side
>>> 
>>> If wrist motion is not necessary - or if it is there but no need to write it to understand it - then the curve is fine for me - but for me it gives the "feeling" of a curve, not "down-down" from the wrist
>>> 
>>> what do you feel when you look at those arrows? and is it necessary to write the different feelings?
>>> 
>>> Val ;-)
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>>>> On Aug 8, 2019, at 8:32 AM, Adam Frost <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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>>>> I was teaching how to write some signs when I came to a very common movement in ASL: down-right-down. An example of a sign with this movement is the ASL number 22. Here is how this movement has been traditionally written.
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> When I was teaching this writing, my student asked why there has to be three arrows when it is a single (and very common) movement. This lead to a discussion of possible ways to write it. This is what was proposed.
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>>>> 
>>>> I thought it was interesting that the placement of the curved movement almost implies an initial small downward movement. What are your thoughts on this writing?
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>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>> Adam
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