SignWriting List
October 29, 2019

Hello John and everyone on the SignWriting List.

Welcome to the List, John. And thank you for your introduction.

I am not a programmer, but there are software developers here on this List, who probably know much more about this than I do. I hope they will discuss this here on the List.

I never heard of the idea of a way to create computer programs with movement writing in general. We have a very specific writing system called Sutton Movement Writing, which is a set of symbols used to write body movement, such as dance and general gesture. At this time we are mostly focusing on writing SignWriting for sign languages, and we are using the International SignWriting Alphabet (the ISWA 2010) to write sign languages in online software such as SignPuddle Online by Steve Slevinski and SignWriter Studio by Jonathan Duncan and Delegs software from Germany and so forth. There are also some cool new Apps that I am looking forward to sharing with the SignWriting List soon. But all of these programs are standardized and programmed without the International Movement Writing Alphabet (IMWA). We specified our programming in recent years to focus on only those symbols needed to write sign languages, the ISWA.

Someday I hope to revisit incorporating some of the Movement Writing symbols that are not being used right now, into a larger symbol set for SignWriting, but we are not there yet, and the ISWA 2010 is working well for writing sign languages in current software.

I followed your link to the document "A Visual Language for Data Mapping." It looks like you are doing interesting work and thank you so much for sharing...

Here are some links to SignWriting software:

SignPuddle

SignWriter Studio

SignBank

Delegs

Val ;-)

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:43 PM John Carlson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I’d like to introduce you to an idea that you’ve probably heard before, namely

ProgramWriting “https://programwriting.org/” (don’t click) originally conceived as a movement writing way of creating computer programs.

The idea would be to be like a “choreographer” for computers.  I originally had the idea in 1991, but it appears that people had the same idea before and after me—Dance Dance Revolution, Guitar Hero, etc.  The idea would be to make these “improvised” on a very grand scale, beyond jazz etc.

 

Do you know anyone else pursuing this concept that I could team with?  I am mildly familiar with voice recognition, but my idea was for a non-sedentary way to program a computer.

 

I’ve seen recent advances in danceLogic, https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dancelogic-innovative-youth-program-combines-coding-and-dance-2019-06-20/ , and that gives me hope.  Another approach is DynamicLand, but DynamicLand appears somewhat sedentary.

 

I have a background in Programming by Demonstration. “Drag and Drop” programming, essentially, working with a running program to build the program. http://dsmforum.org/events/DSVL01/carlson.pdf  Bret Victor is my idol these days. I’ve done little work on this since 1993 besides adding forms and queries to my system.

 

Part of my goal stems from a reading disability.  I’m would like to enjoy the things I enjoyed before I was disabled. The reading disability may have made writing difficult.  I think sign language may serve as an alternate to reading—at least I’m hoping it will.

 

If this could be tied into Blockly to do code generation in popular programming languages of today, that would be very cool.

 

If creative people could find a way to express themselves with the computer without typing or voice, that would be very cool.

 

If additionally, we could tie in natural semantic metalanguage, “semantic primes”, that would be even more exciting.

 

Thanks,

 

John Carlson

 

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