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Re: Gallaudet & TISLR

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Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]>

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SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages

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Sat, 9 Oct 2010 14:12:05 -0700

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SignWriting List
October 9, 2010




Val ;-) --------- On Oct 9, 2010, at 2:02 PM, Adam Frost wrote: > It was a nice surprise to see you too, Shane. Hmm, I wouldn't mind seeing if we could get something going. I have gotten some positive responses about SignWriting in my department, so it might be possible. ;-) > > Adam > > On Oct 8, 2010, at 8:28 AM, "Shane K. Gilchrist" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> sorry for the silence here - im on the plane to London after my 3 weeks stay in the States. I have enjoyed myself very much there. >> >> Want to talk about two things here: >> >> 1. Adam Frost at Gallaudet >> To my surprise, I found myself sitting beside Adam Frost in one of the linguistics classes at Gallaudet - I didnt expect him to be there (I didnt know he was doing his MA at Gallaudet - maybe he did say something abt it on SW-L but I didnt follow SW-L until a few weeks ago :-( I have really enjoyed getting to know him and hes a cool guy - quite smart for sure :-) >> >> I was wondering maybe Adam can set up an informal class after Xmas at Gally to teach signwriting and I could talk to Gaurav one of the assistant professors in the Linguistics department to see if they can set up a course module (creditable) next year to teach SW there - but they might not buy the idea. >> >> 2. TISLR Conference >> As many of you know, TISLR is THE conference for sign linguists and researchers so it was natural that I had to be there - 400 were registered to attend but most did come - got to meet many big names and made new friends etc. There were a lot of SW supporters, especially the Belgians but unfortunately there were no talks on signwriting - it has to be addressed (no I didnt submit in time!) but hopefully that ll change at the next TISLR conference - it ll be in London - 2013 - maybe Adam and I can submit a paper together there :-) >> >> I got to meet Charles Butler - it was really nice seeing him - I introduced him to a few SignWriters there. >> >> More signwriters there: >> >> Isabella Heyrecik (sp?) >> Thierry Haesanne >> Danny de Woordt >> Mim Veer-something ;-) >> >> some more but I forgot their name - either way, we can get a special session on signwriting at TISLR11 as it will be hosted by Bencie Woll who is a supporter of SignWriting :-) >> >> Shane >> >> >> On 3 October 2010 18:17:37 UTC+1, Erika Hoffmann <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> > Wow! I really regret that I was unable to get funding to attend TISLR >> > this year - not only could I have me you and the SignWriting people >> > you mentioned, but I just learned that a Deaf Nepali friend was there! >> > Best, >> > Erika >> > >> > On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> >> > wrote: >> >> SignWriting List >> >> October 3, 2010 >> >> >> >> Hello Charles and everyone! >> >> >> >> I am sooo glad you enjoyed the TISLR! And that you saw so many people - >> >> terrific! And I am really impressed and happy with the poster presentation >> >> on SignTyp and SignWriting that was presented at TISLR by you and Rachel >> >> Channon from the University of Connecticut. Thank you to you both for your >> >> hard work on that project. >> >> >> >> Yes, typing fingerspelling in vertical columns would be a wonderful >> >> feature in any computer program. The old SignWriter DOS program can only >> >> type fingerspelling from left to right like English... >> >> >> >> Regarding the older program....Anyone is welcome to use SignWriter DOS >> >> right now...just use DOS BOX on either Mac or Windows, and SignWriter DOS >> >> works on modern computers...You can download it for free on the internet. >> >> >> >> Richard Gleaves and I worked hard on the development of SignWriter and >> >> certainly loved the keyboarding we developed together, but there was never >> >> any mouse action in SignWriter - there is literally NO capability to use a >> >> mouse in any SignWriter program, whether it was SignWriter DOS, SignWriter >> >> Java or the old SignWriter for the Apple //e and //c. >> >> >> >> When we switch countries in SignWriter DOS, it is always done through the >> >> keyboard...the entire thing is keyboarded, with NO mouse. >> >> >> >> The reason I do not personally use SignWriter DOS any longer? Because >> >> Lucinda O'Grady Batch and other Deaf people who are members of our Deaf >> >> Action Committee (DAC) requested that we write down in vertical columns, and >> >> that is what we have with SignPuddle software by Steve Slevinski, and with >> >> other programs such as the new SignWriter Studio by Jonathan Duncan, that is >> >> not ready yet but is coming...I know Steve would love to add keyboarding to >> >> SignPuddle someday...it is just a big job to program that, and meanwhile >> >> some people love using a mouse to drag and drop - not everyone loved >> >> keyboarding, by the way...only some people do - I used to get complaints >> >> from some people that they didn't want to learn to type and preferred a >> >> mouse, back before SignPuddle was developed...so since people think and work >> >> differently it would be nice to have BOTH options... >> >> >> >> So what we really need is to combine the old with the new...we need the >> >> keyboarding of SignWriter DOS and Java, with the vertical columns of >> >> SignPuddle - and then we are set - ha! >> >> >> >> Meanwhile, if you want to use SignWriter DOS or Java right now, I can help >> >> you set it up on your computer so you can keyboard again if you prefer...it >> >> doesn't use the up-to-date symbols of course - that is another drawback, >> >> darn it... >> >> >> >> Welcome home, Charles - smile - >> >> >> >> Val ;-) >> >> >> >> ---------- >> >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Charles Butler wrote: >> >> >> >>> TISLR was fantastic, I just wish I had not been so antsy and having to >> >>> get back so early. >> >>> >> >>> Shane Gilchrist >> >>> Ronice Quadros >> >>> Lucinda Batch O-Grady >> >>> Charles Butler >> >>> Eyasu Tamene >> >>> >> >>> These were the people I recognized immediately by face from on line. It >> >>> was so good to be among so many people that are using sign writing even in >> >>> the face of opposition. I met one professor (name gone) whose doctoral >> >>> student is doing a project on keyboarding SignWriting, which I really >> >>> believe would be a good thing. I used the SignWriter program in Brazil. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> There were so many things that one could do on the old SignWriter program >> >>> that are awkward to do at best. >> >>> >> >>> Fingerspelling is one, you can't simply TYPE and get fingerspelling, you >> >>> have to look up each sign individually. The old interface was better as you >> >>> could learn to type a sign in at speed without thinking. A mouse you have >> >>> to look for everything all the time. >> >>> >> >>> We need to really look at all the developments that are happening in >> >>> processing and find our way back in new computer languages to our old >> >>> capabilities. >> >>> >> >>> Before, with a swipe of a mouse I could change from English to ASL (or >> >>> other language) fingerspelling, substitute vocabulary in English sentence >> >>> phrase by phrase and eventually end with an ASL sentence in proper >> >>> grammatical order. >> >>> >> >>> Can't do that on the computer anymore, everything is mouse-mouse-mouse, >> >>> and no interaction between two writing systems. We do it in space, and on >> >>> paper, we need to be able to do the same thing on computer. >> >>> >> >>> Charles >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> From: Shane K. Gilchrist <[log in to unmask]> >> >>> To: [log in to unmask] >> >>> Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 1:40:16 AM >> >>> Subject: Re: SignWorkshop OASLTA >> >>> >> >>> Don't worry Charles >> >>> >> >>> I used to be one of the skeptics until Belgium's Kathleen & Sara >> >>> discreetly introduced me to SW. >> >>> >> >>> The rest is history. >> >>> >> >>> Sent from my iPad >> >>> >> >>> On 26 Sep 2010, at 20:45, "Valerie Sutton" <[log in to unmask]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> > SignWriting List >> >>> > September 26, 2010 >> >>> > >> >>> > Hello Charles! >> >>> > >> >>> > First of all, a big hug from me, and a big THANK YOU for being so brave >> >>> > to present at any conference - It takes courage to present in front of a >> >>> > skeptical audience (if that was what they were...they may not have been)... >> >>> > >> >>> > I am sure you did an excellent job and please do not be hard on >> >>> > yourself... >> >>> > >> >>> > All presentations help SignWriting, no matter what the reaction, >> >>> > because people become interested later. Even if they express some doubts >> >>> > right now, it is because it is the first time they have heard of it and we >> >>> > all are skeptical about new ideas - but then later, they hear about it a >> >>> > second time from someone else, and they remember the discussions with you >> >>> > the first time they heard about it, and they decide to look into it because >> >>> > now their interest has been stimulated a second time - >> >>> > >> >>> > So you have really helped SignWriting no matter what - >> >>> > >> >>> > Thank you for telling us about the presentation so quickly after it >> >>> > happened - >> >>> > >> >>> > And Kelly Jo was there? Wow - that is so great! >> >>> > >> >>> > So is there more time at the conference now? It will give you a chance >> >>> > to talk to some of the people with questions - don't worry, Charles, this >> >>> > was a real blessing - >> >>> > >> >>> > Val ;-) >> >>> > >> >>> > ----- >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Sep 26, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Charles Butler wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> >> Well, I presented the workshop but I felt that I fell on my face for >> >>> >> the following reasons: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> 1) Too much information, too little time. >> >>> >> 2) Lack of vocabulary, all of the attendees were interpreters AND >> >>> >> teachers of the deaf, and my vocabulary was inadequate to the task. I >> >>> >> should have asked for help from KJ or another interpreter at the beginning. >> >>> >> 3) I got positive responses from a couple of people, but the most >> >>> >> common one was "how many people IN OHIO are using this system", "why should >> >>> >> MY students have to learn anything else?" Half of them maybe "got it" but >> >>> >> the others just kept with questions. >> >>> >> 4) I should have simply linked to the website and gone from there as >> >>> >> the website is informative, answers most of the common questions, and I >> >>> >> could have had a Deaf Advocate actually talking to the group. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Lessons learned, but I feel very small and inadequate right now. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Charles Butler >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway >> > Assistant Professor of Anthropology >> > Oberlin College >> > >> > >>

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