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Re: 'A' letteral incorrect in US Dictionary?

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Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]>

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SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages

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Thu, 22 Sep 2011 07:31:01 -0700

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SignWriting List
September 21, 2011

Wonderful explanation. I agree. Beautifully explained, Adam. Thank you.

And by the way, Adam wrote the ASL definition beside the dictionary entry. So the source really should be Adam's name, not mine. I am going to change the source name to Adam now. Thank you, Adam, for your ASL definitions, which are scattered throughout the ASL SignPuddle online...for letters, and numbers and few other signs...someday we hope to have an edited ASL dictionary with ASL definitions for every sign...smile... we can dream at least of that day..it would be a project that could take years.... ;-)







On Sep 21, 2011, at 11:00 PM, Alan Post wrote:

> Wonderful Adam, thank you for this clarification and guidance.
>
> -Alan
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 09:33:15AM -0400, Adam Frost wrote:
>> For ASL, both handshapes are seen as basically the same. While there is a technical difference as you have pointed out, if I were to spell my name with one or the other, most people would not notice the difference. For this reason, the DAC (Deaf Action Committee) had decided to write both with the "thumb side diagonal" rather than the "thumb side unit". Also, I believe that the "thumb side diagonal" is an older symbol that was used first while the "thumb side unit" was actually created because there was a later need to make a distinction either in another sign language or for research. So there is no error in SignPuddle with regards to that particular entry. ;-)
>>
>> As far as how conflict resolution, the US SignPuddle is online and open. It really needs to be monitored, but it would be a full time job for a team of people to do so. As of right now, the common practice is to put in your version of the entry if you feel that something needs to be entered. If you feel that there is something that is very wrong, Val and I can take a look at it and change it if needed.
>>
>> So should you ignore what the dictionary says and use your own interpretation? You are more than welcome to do so, as is everyone else. But that entry is the common practice for most ASL SignWriters in the US for writing the fingerspelled letter A. ;-)
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2011, at 1:36 AM, Alan Post wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the entry for the A letteral in the US SignPuddle
>>> dictionary:
>>>
>>> http://signbank.org/signpuddle1.6/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=5476&search=a&type=exact
>>>
>>> Using the hint Steve provided me, I find the handshape for that
>>> symbol on this page, showing "thumb side diagonal":
>>>
>>> http://www.signbank.org/iswa/1f7/1f7_bs.html
>>>
>>> I've been taught that the A letteral is actually this BaseSymbol,
>>> the "thumb side unit":
>>>
>>> http://www.signbank.org/iswa/1f8/1f8_bs.html
>>>
>>> I'm *inclined* to think that this is a data-entry error in
>>> SignPuddle, and a subtly different symbol was entered for the A
>>> letteral than what it actually is. (An easy mistake to make without
>>> the hand shape photos as a reference.)
>>>
>>> But is it that I'm seeing acceptable variation in how the A letteral
>>> is signed?
>>>
>>> What is the conflict resolution mechanism when this occurs in
>>> SignPuddle? Should I enter what I believe to be the A letteral as a
>>> separate entry? Should the existi