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December 15, 2010

Below is Meryeme's last email that was meant for the List and accidentally sent to me personally - so let's keep the conversation going on the List - thank you for this message Meryeme - I will answer soon - Val ;-)

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From: Meryeme Ayache <[log in to unmask]>
Date: December 15, 2010 12:08:16 PM PST
To: Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [SW-L] AW: AW: copy and past

hey every body
and a great thank to all the members of the mailing list. it has been very nice from you answering the question, but I think I did not express my self that well. I gave the example of notepad just to mission  that I want to copy from place to another place. but it was not my aim: well I will tell you what I am trying to do. I am working on lunix and I am trying to copy a sign-writing alphabet from the word (where I can type them) or the signpuddle itself and past them on the gedit window because I am trying to insert those signs on my own code (programing code). I am not sure if can be done or not.

and by the way I could write signwriting letters in notepad I just had to go 'Format' and choose font and insert the SuttonUS font and it works perfectly but I still have this problem with the gedit under linux or the dev C++ on windows (it is a simple compiler for the C programming language). and for your question Valerie about arabic insertion on note pad yes I can do that and I can even insert it on the gedit as well :) ;) well I hope I could clarify what I am trying to do. and thanks for the help ;)


-- 
Meryeme Ayache.
Elève ingénieur ( 2ème année )
Ecole Nationale Supérieure d'Informatique et d'Analyse des Systèmes (Rabat).

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On Dec 15, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:

> SignWriting List
> December 15, 2010
> 
> Thank you, Stefan! This is great information -
> 
> SignWriter DOS 4.4 is over 15 years old - 
> 
> I have not worked with it lately ;-)
> 
> Now I remember - we can export to BMP format from SignWriter DOS - thanks for pointing that out -
> 
> I am so glad SignWriter Python was developed - that is a great help -
> 
> Meryeme - have you downloaded SignWriter Python?
> 
> SignWriter Python
> http://signwriter.takdoc.de/
> 
> It doesn't solve your exact request, but it is a good addition -
> 
> 
> Val ;-)
> 
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> 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:
> 
>> Hi Val, 
>> well - there is an extra computer at my office running Win98 (!!! Can you
>> believe - just and only to create wonderful documents with the good old
>> SW4.4 program. Well in this case I use MS-DOS. 
>> 
>> Do you remember our sequence of email exchange to get my printer ready to
>> print documents in different formats? Ha - great time! 
>> 
>> This does not function any more with Windows XP ... 
>> 
>> With the support of the DOS-box we can write documents and create dictionary
>> entries ( as long as your dictionary does not have more than about 10.000
>> entries ;-((( ) ... but we cannot print. But we can create .ps files and can
>> convert these later to .pdf files. Or - we can export files and will get
>> .bmp graphics 
>> Is this what you are asking for? 
>> 
>> Well that is not the best method to work for every day use ... 
>> 
>> So if I want to print large documents - I prefer to open the .sgn files with
>> the SW Python program and now we can print the file in some different format
>> - but it  works fine. 
>> 
>> Hope that helps? 
>> 
>> Stefan ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Dezember 2010 18:57
>> An: [log in to unmask]
>> Betreff: Re: AW: copy and past
>> 
>> SignWriting List
>> December 15, 2010
>> 
>> smile -
>> 
>> Hi Stefan!
>> When you use SignWriter DOS, you are using MS-DOS. How do you copy a sign
>> from SignWriter DOS into another program, like Notepad, or Wordpad, or
>> Microsoft Word?
>> 
>> That is what I meant... You mentioned that you can use SignWriter Python to
>> print better... which is great news ... does SignWriter Python help with the
>> need to copy and paste signs from SignWriter DOS to other programs?
>> 
>> Meryeme wants to type something in SignWriter DOS, and then copy it and
>> paste it into another program...
>> 
>> Val ;-)
>> 
>> --------
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:
>> 
>>> .. Hi Val , 
>>> 
>>> what do you mean? 
>>> 
>>> I am supposed to know how to do "what" from MS-DOS ?? 
>>> 
>>> Stefan 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Dezember 2010 17:49
>>> An: [log in to unmask]
>>> Betreff: Re: copy and past
>>> 
>>> SignWriting List
>>> December 15, 2010
>>> 
>>> Hello Bill and Meryeme -
>>> 
>>> Very true...thank you Bill...so here is my question...Does Notepad accept
>>> Unicode? For example, text can also be written Arabic, written Chinese and
>>> so forth, using Unicode...
>>> 
>>> I haven't used MS-DOS in years, but my memory is that Notepad is only
>> ASCIII
>>> characters?
>>> 
>>> Can you write Arabic in Notepad, Meryeme?
>>> 
>>> In recent years, Steve Slevinski developed a way to place SignWriting
>>> symbols into UTF8, which is not the official Unicode, but getting
>> closer...I
>>> wonder if UTF8 could work in Notepad? probably not -
>>> 
>>> Can you use another program, like WordPad, Meryeme? Or Microsoft Word?
>> Does
>>> WordPad accept graphics? We know Word does...
>>> 
>>> Inside the SignWriter DOS program, the SignWriting symbols act like text.
>>> But outside the SignWriter DOS environment, they become graphics, except
>> for
>>> Steve's special work with Binary SignWriting (BSW) and UTF8:
>>> http://www.signbank.org/bsw/
>>> 
>>> So if you need the graphics of each symbol, Meryeme, you can download the
>>> complete symbolset in .png format, or possibly in .gif format for the old
>>> symbols used in SignWriter DOS, without using any program.
>>> 
>>> Go to SymbolBank download page for SignWriter DOS symbols: sss-1995:
>>> http://www.movementwriting.org/symbolbank/IMWA2004/IMWA-Downloads.html
>>> 
>>> If you need the graphics of completely written signs, that is different -
>> I
>>> use SignPuddle to do that, or SignWriter Java, rather than MS-DOS - 
>>> 
>>> Maybe Stefan will know how to do it from MS-DOS?
>>> 
>>> Val ;-)
>>> 
>>> ---------
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Bill Reese wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Meryeme,
>>>> Notepad is text only format - it doesn't save format information so such
>>> things like graphics can't be put into Notepad.   Once you put signwriting
>>> into a word processor, it's available as a graphic and can be copied and
>>> pasted into other programs that support graphics but not programs that
>>> support only text.
>>>> 
>>>> Bill
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/15/2010 10:04 AM, Meryeme Ayache wrote:
>>>>> hey every one 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am wondering if we can copy and past from word the signwriting letters
>>> to notepad for exemple. I mean I am wondering if we can copy f to notepad
>>> without it get converted to f. do you have an idea about how to do that
>>> please?
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Meryeme Ayache.
>>>>> Elève ingénieur ( 2ème année )
>>>>> Ecole Nationale Supérieure d'Informatique et d'Analyse des Systèmes
>>> (Rabat).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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