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December 15, 2010

Hi Meryeme -

of course typing in Notepad using our Sutton Fonts, that are TrueType fonts, has nothing to do with SignWriter DOS....we differentiate between software programs because different programs have different features and different requirements - obviously a font, like a TrueType font, which is what the Sutton fonts are, is a totally different thing, than typing using SignWriter DOS...

Fingerspelling can be written from left to right, like English, and right to left, like Arabic...

But signs are written in visual clusters that are not written from left to right, and those visual clusters, or SignSpellings, need another kind of a program, like SignWriter DOS or SignWriter Java or SignPuddle or the new SignWriterStudio... http://www.signwriterstudio.com

so the Sutton TrueType fonts are fun, and the symbols are certainly from SignWriting, but fingerspelling is only a part of writing sign languages -

now if you can use SignPuddle Online, I will be happy to teach you how to copy and paste signs from SignPuddle Online into Microsoft Word or any other program other than Notepad - smile...

We do that daily and we also publish 500 page books now, using SignPuddle Online, all written in SignWriting in columns - we combine the ColumnMaker features in SignPuddle with another program I developed recently called DocumentMaker Pro, in FileMaker Pro, which gives us the layout pages of the documents that are written first in SignPuddle.

From reading what you are doing below, I wonder if you would consider using our more modern software? which is not only SignPuddle, but also BSW (Binary SignWriting) and the SignWriting Image Server? Maybe it would work on Windows in C++ - I am not a programmer, but I am a person who uses SignWriting daily on SignPuddle, and I bet, with Steve's help, and with everyone's help here on the SignWriting List, you can do it in more modern software - SignWriter DOS is a good program for it's time, and MS-DOS is good too, but both are a little out of date...and they are not something I am so skilled with any longer - Richard Gleaves and I developed the SignWriter DOS program over two decades ago, and computers have changed so enormously - 

All of our programs will be using ISWA 2010, the International SignWriting Alphabet 2010, by early 2011 -

Val ;-)

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On Dec 15, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:

> SignWriting List
> December 15, 2010
> 
> Below is Meryeme's last email that was meant for the List and accidentally sent to me personally - so let's keep the conversation going on the List - thank you for this message Meryeme - I will answer soon - Val ;-)
> 
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> 
> From: Meryeme Ayache <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: December 15, 2010 12:08:16 PM PST
> To: Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [SW-L] AW: AW: copy and past
> 
> hey every body
> and a great thank to all the members of the mailing list. it has been very nice from you answering the question, but I think I did not express my self that well. I gave the example of notepad just to mission  that I want to copy from place to another place. but it was not my aim: well I will tell you what I am trying to do. I am working on lunix and I am trying to copy a sign-writing alphabet from the word (where I can type them) or the signpuddle itself and past them on the gedit window because I am trying to insert those signs on my own code (programing code). I am not sure if can be done or not.
> 
> and by the way I could write signwriting letters in notepad I just had to go 'Format' and choose font and insert the SuttonUS font and it works perfectly but I still have this problem with the gedit under linux or the dev C++ on windows (it is a simple compiler for the C programming language). and for your question Valerie about arabic insertion on note pad yes I can do that and I can even insert it on the gedit as well :) ;) well I hope I could clarify what I am trying to do. and thanks for the help ;)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Meryeme Ayache.
> Elève ingénieur ( 2ème année )
> Ecole Nationale Supérieure d'Informatique et d'Analyse des Systèmes (Rabat).
> 
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> 
> On Dec 15, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
> 
>> SignWriting List
>> December 15, 2010
>> 
>> Thank you, Stefan! This is great information -
>> 
>> SignWriter DOS 4.4 is over 15 years old - 
>> 
>> I have not worked with it lately ;-)
>> 
>> Now I remember - we can export to BMP format from SignWriter DOS - thanks for pointing that out -
>> 
>> I am so glad SignWriter Python was developed - that is a great help -
>> 
>> Meryeme - have you downloaded SignWriter Python?
>> 
>> SignWriter Python
>> http://signwriter.takdoc.de/
>> 
>> It doesn't solve your exact request, but it is a good addition -
>> 
>> 
>> Val ;-)
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Val, 
>>> well - there is an extra computer at my office running Win98 (!!! Can you
>>> believe - just and only to create wonderful documents with the good old
>>> SW4.4 program. Well in this case I use MS-DOS. 
>>> 
>>> Do you remember our sequence of email exchange to get my printer ready to
>>> print documents in different formats? Ha - great time! 
>>> 
>>> This does not function any more with Windows XP ... 
>>> 
>>> With the support of the DOS-box we can write documents and create dictionary
>>> entries ( as long as your dictionary does not have more than about 10.000
>>> entries ;-((( ) ... but we cannot print. But we can create .ps files and can
>>> convert these later to .pdf files. Or - we can export files and will get
>>> .bmp graphics 
>>> Is this what you are asking for? 
>>> 
>>> Well that is not the best method to work for every day use ... 
>>> 
>>> So if I want to print large documents - I prefer to open the .sgn files with
>>> the SW Python program and now we can print the file in some different format
>>> - but it  works fine. 
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps? 
>>> 
>>> Stefan ;-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Dezember 2010 18:57
>>> An: [log in to unmask]
>>> Betreff: Re: AW: copy and past
>>> 
>>> SignWriting List
>>> December 15, 2010
>>> 
>>> smile -
>>> 
>>> Hi Stefan!
>>> When you use SignWriter DOS, you are using MS-DOS. How do you copy a sign
>>> from SignWriter DOS into another program, like Notepad, or Wordpad, or
>>> Microsoft Word?
>>> 
>>> That is what I meant... You mentioned that you can use SignWriter Python to
>>> print better... which is great news ... does SignWriter Python help with the
>>> need to copy and paste signs from SignWriter DOS to other programs?
>>> 
>>> Meryeme wants to type something in SignWriter DOS, and then copy it and
>>> paste it into another program...
>>> 
>>> Val ;-)
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:
>>> 
>>>> .. Hi Val , 
>>>> 
>>>> what do you mean? 
>>>> 
>>>> I am supposed to know how to do "what" from MS-DOS ?? 
>>>> 
>>>> Stefan 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
>>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Dezember 2010 17:49
>>>> An: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Betreff: Re: copy and past
>>>> 
>>>> SignWriting List
>>>> December 15, 2010
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Bill and Meryeme -
>>>> 
>>>> Very true...thank you Bill...so here is my question...Does Notepad accept
>>>> Unicode? For example, text can also be written Arabic, written Chinese and
>>>> so forth, using Unicode...
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't used MS-DOS in years, but my memory is that Notepad is only
>>> ASCIII
>>>> characters?
>>>> 
>>>> Can you write Arabic in Notepad, Meryeme?
>>>> 
>>>> In recent years, Steve Slevinski developed a way to place SignWriting
>>>> symbols into UTF8, which is not the official Unicode, but getting
>>> closer...I
>>>> wonder if UTF8 could work in Notepad? probably not -
>>>> 
>>>> Can you use another program, like WordPad, Meryeme? Or Microsoft Word?
>>> Does
>>>> WordPad accept graphics? We know Word does...
>>>> 
>>>> Inside the SignWriter DOS program, the SignWriting symbols act like text.
>>>> But outside the SignWriter DOS environment, they become graphics, except
>>> for
>>>> Steve's special work with Binary SignWriting (BSW) and UTF8:
>>>> http://www.signbank.org/bsw/
>>>> 
>>>> So if you need the graphics of each symbol, Meryeme, you can download the
>>>> complete symbolset in .png format, or possibly in .gif format for the old
>>>> symbols used in SignWriter DOS, without using any program.
>>>> 
>>>> Go to SymbolBank download page for SignWriter DOS symbols: sss-1995:
>>>> http://www.movementwriting.org/symbolbank/IMWA2004/IMWA-Downloads.html
>>>> 
>>>> If you need the graphics of completely written signs, that is different -
>>> I
>>>> use SignPuddle to do that, or SignWriter Java, rather than MS-DOS - 
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe Stefan will know how to do it from MS-DOS?
>>>> 
>>>> Val ;-)
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 15, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Bill Reese wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Meryeme,
>>>>> Notepad is text only format - it doesn't save format information so such
>>>> things like graphics can't be put into Notepad.   Once you put signwriting
>>>> into a word processor, it's available as a graphic and can be copied and
>>>> pasted into other programs that support graphics but not programs that
>>>> support only text.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bill
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/15/2010 10:04 AM, Meryeme Ayache wrote:
>>>>>> hey every one 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am wondering if we can copy and past from word the signwriting letters
>>>> to notepad for exemple. I mean I am wondering if we can copy f to notepad
>>>> without it get converted to f. do you have an idea about how to do that
>>>> please?
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Meryeme Ayache.
>>>>>> Elève ingénieur ( 2ème année )
>>>>>> Ecole Nationale Supérieure d'Informatique et d'Analyse des Systèmes
>>>> (Rabat).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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