Hi Charles,
thanks for your explanation.
Well for practical
reasons I am happy to look up a sign from „searching by word“.
Sometimes I feel lucky to
look for signs by symbol – especially if I get a message in ASL and have to
look for the meaning of a sign.
I see that you would love
to have a dictionary in sign order. – This is interesting.
I do not know what
categories would be first, second third – if I would go to sort all the signs.
Thanks for your answer.
Stefan
Von: SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler
Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. Dezember
2010 00:14
An: [log in to unmask]
Betreff: Re: AW: Creating a sign
language ordered dictionary
Okay, when Valerie first came out with Sign Writing for
Everyday Use, we had an order to the signs within each group, following in a
logical order from straight to bent to curled. With the growth of the
system, handshapes have been added without a logical progression so that
missing ones may be inferred but there is no order to them.
For a complete dictionary, in sign order, then pushing
"Sign Frequency" will print them by group and in order of the numbers
of the codes, but that coding is not consistent across the board.
When I teach the system, I teach it in an order, Group 1,
then Group 2, then Group 3, then Group 4, but i also attempt to put the actual
handshapes in a logical order, and at the moment that varies from sign language
to sign language depending on which handshapes are actually used in the
language.
I published, some time ago, a proposed system to put
1) handshape
2) orientation starting from facing the reader, half left or
right, back of hand, face up, forward half left or right, face down
3) rotation from vertical rotating clockwise.
4) --- second handshape would fit here if more than one hand
is in the sign, orientation, rotation
4A - I put location here, Valerie puts it at the end, from
her experiments with Deaf looking up signs.
5) --- contact (touch, strike, brush, rub)
6) --- finger movement
7) --- vertical movement
8) --- horizontal movement
9) --- curved vertical movement
10) --- curved horizontal movement
11) --- circles
12) --- speed
13) --- facial expressions
So, for example, the following are in Sign-Symbol-Sequence
Order for me. All two handed signs come after all one handed signs for
the same orientation.
= Group 1, primary orientation, no movement
= Group 1, primary orientation, movement
vertical,
= Group 1, primary orientation, first hand, group one,
primary orientation second hand, movement horizontal, facial involvement (ALL
TWO HANDED SIGNS COME AFTER ONE HANDED SIGNS)
= Group 1, primary orientation, first hand, group 5,
back of hand, second hand, movement horizontal (GROUP 5 comes after GROUP
1)
= Group 1, second
orientation, 45 counter clockwise, circular motion, facial involvement
- Group 1, first hand, second orientation, 45 counter
clockwise, Group 1, crooked handshape, finger movement, finger movement.
Is this before the one above from the finger movement?
(SKIPPING A FEW)
= Group 5, first hand, forward, half, 45 counter
clockwise, Group 5, second hand, forward, half, 45 clockwise, held in between,
forward twice
Group 5, side forward, half, 45 counter
clockwise, Group 5 side forward, half, 45 clockwise, held in between, twice
forward twice, slow
The Sign Symbol
Sequence may order the signs if each of them has been ordered, but I have not
sufficiently experimented to see if one enters signs and then orders them by
one's chosen order whether the "symbol frequency" will follow that
order.
From: Stefan
Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Sat, December 11, 2010
12:08:45 PM
Subject: AW: Creating a sign
language ordered dictionary
Hi Charles,
can you explain? I do not
understand.
Stefan ;-)
Von:
SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:[log in to unmask]EDU] Im Auftrag von Charles
Gesendet: Samstag, 11. Dezember
2010 14:29
An: [log in to unmask]
Betreff: Re: Creating a sign
language ordered dictionary
But can you print a dictionary from Sign Puddle in one's
chosen order without constructing it yourself? I order my dictionary down to
the individual handshape and movement, and that is all by hand.
Charles
From: Stefan
Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Sat, December 11, 2010
2:37:24 AM
Subject: AW: I need your help: DOS
Box and SignWriter 4.4
Hi Meryeme,
I am no software expert
whatsoever and it took me a long time to understand the tricks how to install
the DOS-Box proberly to work together with the SW 4.4 Program (except for
printing) . I wrote a short tutorial –
http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/documents/dos_winxp/dos_box_installation.htm
Perhaps this can support
you in your efforts?
In addition to that. It
takes some time to become an expert with this DOS – SignWriter 4.4
Program - you have to download and install the dictionary ...
As Valerie mentioned
before – the SignPuddle software allows an easy way to create entries, to
create documents, to send emails written in SignWriting, to look up terms word
– to sign order and to look up signs – symbol –to sign order, you can search
for frequencies (what are the most often used symbols) ....
Good luck
Stefan
Von: SignWriting List
: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Meryeme Ayache
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Dezember
2010 22:04
An: [log in to unmask]
Betreff: Re: I need your help
hey Valerie and Stefan
:-)
I hope that
you all are doing well. I installed the DOSbox but I have problem in some DOS
commands like 'md \sw' in order to create f directory but I will keep trying I
think that is because I am using window 7 but I am not sure. and by the way I
used the ASL SignPuddle Dictionary and I really like but I don't wanna use
it in my project because I need to enter the sign writing manually because I
have to verify first if the entered character belong to the list of
sign-writing language or not and that is what we call it (the
lexical analyzer :-) and it is the first step to realize a compiler I will
let you updated of my researches
--
Meryeme Ayache.
Elève ingénieur ( 2ème année )
Ecole Nationale Supérieure d'Informatique et d'Analyse des Systèmes (