thanks for your explanation.
Well for practical reasons I am happy to look up a sign from „searching by word“.
Sometimes I feel lucky to look for signs by symbol – especially if I get a message in ASL and have to look for the meaning of a sign.
I see that you would love to have a dictionary in sign order. – This is interesting.
I do not know what categories would be first, second third – if I would go to sort all the signs.
Thanks for your answer.
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler
Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. Dezember 2010 00:14
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Betreff: Re: AW: Creating a sign language ordered dictionary
Okay, when Valerie first came out with Sign Writing for Everyday Use, we had an order to the signs within each group, following in a logical order from straight to bent to curled. With the growth of the system, handshapes have been added without a logical progression so that missing ones may be inferred but there is no order to them.
For a complete dictionary, in sign order, then pushing "Sign Frequency" will print them by group and in order of the numbers of the codes, but that coding is not consistent across the board.
When I teach the system, I teach it in an order, Group 1, then Group 2, then Group 3, then Group 4, but i also attempt to put the actual handshapes in a logical order, and at the moment that varies from sign language to sign language depending on which handshapes are actually used in the language.
I published, some time ago, a proposed system to put
2) orientation starting from facing the reader, half left or right, back of hand, face up, forward half left or right, face down
3) rotation from vertical rotating clockwise.
4) --- second handshape would fit here if more than one hand is in the sign, orientation, rotation
4A - I put location here, Valerie puts it at the end, from her experiments with Deaf looking up signs.
5) --- contact (touch, strike, brush, rub)
6) --- finger movement
7) --- vertical movement
8) --- horizontal movement
9) --- curved vertical movement
10) --- curved horizontal movement
11) --- circles
12) --- speed
13) --- facial expressions
So, for example, the following are in Sign-Symbol-Sequence Order for me. All two handed signs come after all one handed signs for the same orientation.
= Group 1, primary orientation, no movement
= Group 1, primary orientation, movement vertical,
= Group 1, primary orientation, first hand, group one, primary orientation second hand, movement horizontal, facial involvement (ALL TWO HANDED SIGNS COME AFTER ONE HANDED SIGNS)
= Group 1, primary orientation, first hand, group 5, back of hand, second hand, movement horizontal (GROUP 5 comes after GROUP 1)
= Group 1, second orientation, 45 counter clockwise, circular motion, facial involvement
- Group 1, first hand, second orientation, 45 counter clockwise, Group 1, crooked handshape, finger movement, finger movement. Is this before the one above from the finger movement?
(SKIPPING A FEW)
= Group 5, first hand, forward, half, 45 counter clockwise, Group 5, second hand, forward, half, 45 clockwise, held in between, forward twice
Group 5, side forward, half, 45 counter clockwise, Group 5 side forward, half, 45 clockwise, held in between, twice forward twice, slow
The Sign Symbol Sequence may order the signs if each of them has been ordered, but I have not sufficiently experimented to see if one enters signs and then orders them by one's chosen order whether the "symbol frequency" will follow that order.
can you explain? I do not understand.
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]EDU] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler
Gesendet: Samstag, 11. Dezember 2010 14:29
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Betreff: Re: Creating a sign language ordered dictionary
But can you print a dictionary from Sign Puddle in one's chosen order without constructing it yourself? I order my dictionary down to the individual handshape and movement, and that is all by hand.
I am no software expert whatsoever and it took me a long time to understand the tricks how to install the DOS-Box proberly to work together with the SW 4.4 Program (except for printing) . I wrote a short tutorial –
Perhaps this can support you in your efforts?
In addition to that. It takes some time to become an expert with this DOS – SignWriter 4.4 Program - you have to download and install the dictionary ...
As Valerie mentioned before – the SignPuddle software allows an easy way to create entries, to create documents, to send emails written in SignWriting, to look up terms word – to sign order and to look up signs – symbol –to sign order, you can search for frequencies (what are the most often used symbols) ....
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: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Meryeme Ayache
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Dezember 2010 22:04
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Betreff: Re: I need your help
hey Valerie and Stefan :-)
I hope that
you all are doing well. I installed the DOSbox but I have problem in some DOS
commands like 'md \sw' in order to create f directory but I will keep trying I
think that is because I am using window 7 but I am not sure. and by the way I
used the ASL SignPuddle Dictionary and I really like but I don't wanna use
it in my project because I need to enter the sign writing manually because I
have to verify first if the entered character belong to the list of
sign-writing language or not and that is what we call it (the
lexical analyzer :-) and it is the first step to realize a compiler I will
let you updated of my researches
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