Hi Eda, Valerie, Charles – sw-friends, 


Wow – what an interesting spelling discussion on the last day of this year. 


First of all – Eda – I like your Adobe Illustrator SW-style very much.
Really art – work. 


I could read your card – even though I hesitate to understand the spelling
of “novo” on your first card. 


The problem is the result of this symbol O-hand – graphem. There is no hint
about fingers or thumb – so the orientation of the hand  is not clear. (Same
problem with the closed fist – graphem  - ;-( 


So there are many orientations possible if we look at this “circle”. 


I created two little graphics to explain this - 


I would not worry about the spelling in this case. Once the reader is
informed that you express new year wishes – it should be ok. 


So in this case I would agree with Valerie to keep the spelling as simple as



All the best 









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Eu mesmo, o primeiro sinal, sem braco.  Com duas maos, e mais facil a leer. 


I, the same, the first sign, without the arm.  With two hands, it is much
easier to read. 




I personally must interject that I find showing a photograph and then
showing an expressive writing is completely confusing to me.  I write what I
see, if I see receptive, I write receptive.  


If I am writing my own hands, I write expressive.  Writing in opposite
directions for the same writing when trying to compare what a person is
doing on a photograph in front of me throws me.


When I teach, I teach both ways, and I show both ways, so that people can
understand that one reverses as a complete front and back sign.  If the
motion moves right, I write that direction for the signer, who is NOT me, so
the motion matches the actual picture in front of me.  






From: Eda AMORim <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 10:52:46 PM
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Segue a foto, qual você acha que fica mais claro para  o leitor?
Penso que seja o primeiro sinal.

Below the picture, what do you think is more clear to the reader?
I think it is the first sign.

Eda Amorim
Intérprete/Tradutora e Profa. de Língua Brasileira de Sinais
Especialista em Educação de Surdos

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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:10:18 -0800
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December 30, 2010


On Dec 30, 2010, at 6:15 PM, Eda AMORim wrote:


> Olá Val,

> Obrigada! Farei um tutorial explicando. Fiz no Adobe Illustrator.

> Thank you! I'll make a tutorial. I made in Adobe Illustrator



Olá Eda!

Thank you for changing the card so fast - that is amazing!


You are very skilled with Adobe Illustrator...I use the Adobe Creative Suite
Design Premium (CS5) - and Illustrator is a part of that suite of programs,
so we use some of the same software ;-)


I am happy you are creating a tutorial. Let's talk about the third sign, for
NEW? NOVO? I do not know the sign, but I should be able to read the
movements, but I am not sure of the movement...


Does it start with a circle shape for
 the right hand, and then moves side and opens up in a five hand? Like this?


You see, the little hollow circle that represents the opening of fingers
(that appears at the end of your arrow in the third sign), could mean that
you were opening to a variety of different handshapes...but if you write the
finishing hand shape, it is a lot clearer for the reader... If you write
that second position then it is not necessary to write the hollow dot that
means to open the is my sign for NOVO correct in LIBRAS? or
have I misunderstood? I look forward to your answer ;-) Val ;-)