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Hi Eda, Valerie, Charles – sw-friends, Wow – what an interesting spelling discussion on the last day of this year. First of all – Eda – I like your Adobe Illustrator SW-style very much. Really art – work. I could read your card – even though I hesitate to understand the spelling of “novo” on your first card. The problem is the result of this symbol O-hand – graphem. There is no hint about fingers or thumb – so the orientation of the hand is not clear. (Same problem with the closed fist – graphem - ;-( So there are many orientations possible if we look at this “circle”. I created two little graphics to explain this - I would not worry about the spelling in this case. Once the reader is informed that you express new year wishes – it should be ok. So in this case I would agree with Valerie to keep the spelling as simple as possible. All the best Stefan _____ Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler Gesendet: Freitag, 31. Dezember 2010 05:49 An: [log in to unmask] Betreff: Re: Happy New Year to the SignWriting List! Eu mesmo, o primeiro sinal, sem braco. Com duas maos, e mais facil a leer. I, the same, the first sign, without the arm. With two hands, it is much easier to read. Charles I personally must interject that I find showing a photograph and then showing an expressive writing is completely confusing to me. I write what I see, if I see receptive, I write receptive. If I am writing my own hands, I write expressive. Writing in opposite directions for the same writing when trying to compare what a person is doing on a photograph in front of me throws me. When I teach, I teach both ways, and I show both ways, so that people can understand that one reverses as a complete front and back sign. If the motion moves right, I write that direction for the signer, who is NOT me, so the motion matches the actual picture in front of me. Charles _____ From: Eda AMORim <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 10:52:46 PM Subject: Re: Happy New Year to the SignWriting List! Val, Segue a foto, qual você acha que fica mais claro para o leitor? Penso que seja o primeiro sinal. Below the picture, what do you think is more clear to the reader? I think it is the first sign. Eda Amorim Intérprete/Tradutora e Profa. de Língua Brasileira de Sinais Especialista em Educação de Surdos CENTRO EDUCACIONAL CULTURA SURDA LTDA. (11) 3416-7888 (11) 2626-4945 (11) 9168-6761 [log in to unmask] www.culturasurda.com.br <http://www.culturasurda.com.br/> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:10:18 -0800 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Happy New Year to the SignWriting List! To: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List December 30, 2010 On Dec 30, 2010, at 6:15 PM, Eda AMORim wrote: > Olá Val, > Obrigada! Farei um tutorial explicando. Fiz no Adobe Illustrator. > Thank you! I'll make a tutorial. I made in Adobe Illustrator Olá Eda! Thank you for changing the card so fast - that is amazing! You are very skilled with Adobe Illustrator...I use the Adobe Creative Suite Design Premium (CS5) - and Illustrator is a part of that suite of programs, so we use some of the same software ;-) I am happy you are creating a tutorial. Let's talk about the third sign, for NEW? NOVO? I do not know the sign, but I should be able to read the movements, but I am not sure of the movement... Does it start with a circle shape for the right hand, and then moves side and opens up in a five hand? Like this? You see, the little hollow circle that represents the opening of fingers (that appears at the end of your arrow in the third sign), could mean that you were opening to a variety of different handshapes...but if you write the finishing hand shape, it is a lot clearer for the reader... If you write that second position then it is not necessary to write the hollow dot that means to open the fingers...so is my sign for NOVO correct in LIBRAS? or have I misunderstood? I look forward to your answer ;-) Val ;-)