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Hi Charles, Valerie , just for fun and it is interesting to discuss this sign – well I do not know what you want to do with your tongue –but if I assume to move it from the right punched out cheek to the opposite one several times – I would prefer a different spelling. I am interested in your opinion Valerie. Is it your understanding that both spelling describe the same performance? I would not think so. Stefan _____ Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November 2011 18:57 An: [log in to unmask] Betreff: Re: Query - Duplication arc SignWriting List November 10, 2011 See Val's answer below... Charles wrote: Does the duplication arc work for a non-manual sign? This is Roubarse from the LIBRAS puddle. The tongue sweeps from one punched out cheek to the opposite one several times for this sign for "robbed" Charles Butler [log in to unmask] 240-764-5748 Clear writing moves business forward. ------------- Hello Charles and Everyone - Yes. It does. It means you do the right side first in your example, because we are reading vertically top sign first...and then the left side happens second in your diagram - Attached is information about the dynamics symbol called "Un-Even Alternating Dynamics" ... Read about it on this web page: Movement Dynamics http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/lessonsw/169 <http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/lessonsw/169%20Dynamics.html> Dynamics.html Val ;-) Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L <http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1> &A=1 SignWriting Read & Write Sign Languages http://www.SignWriting.org <http://www.SignWriting.org/> SignPuddle Online Write SignWriting in the Clouds! Documents, Dictionaries, SignMail http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle SignWriting Wiki Wiki-style Articles in Sign Languages http://www.signbank.org/wiki SignWriting List Technical Support: Ask questions... http://www.SignWriting.org/forums/swlist SignWriting Literature Project Writing Literature in Sign Languages http://www.SignWriting.org/literature SignWriting Encyclopedia Projects Writing Encyclopedias in Sign Languages http://www.SignWriting.org/encyclopedia SignWriting Sponsors Forum Help Educational Non-Profit Organization http://www.SignWriting.org/forums/sponsors SignWriting Shop Books, DVDs, Lessons, Services http://www.SignWriting.org/shop Deaf Action Committee For SignWriting Center For Sutton Movement Writing a US educational nonprofit organization PO Box 517, La Jolla, CA, 92038, USA Tel: 858-456-0098 Skype: valeriesutton SignWriting on Twitter http://twitter.com/signwriting SignWriting on YouTube http://youtube.com/signwriting <http://twitter.com/signwriting> SignWriting on Facebook http://facebook.com/SignWriting <http://twitter.com/signwriting>