Hi Valerie,

thank you very much for your answer – it is exactly what I had in mind.


So it would be interesting to see the original  “Roubarse – sign performance”


... and by the way isn’t it fantastic that we even can distinguish between such neat  differences in the performance of a sign. I love it. It is a kind of typical – almost provocative question from people who doubt that if we want ... we can!! Of course we can. ... smile






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Hi Stefan and Charles -


Oh. I see. I would read your writing, Stefan, as doing the right side, then doing the left side then doing the right side then doing the left side.


I would read Charles's writing as "doing two movements of the tongue on the right side, and then doing two movements of the tongue on the left side...


I thought that was what Charles wanted - 


There really is no need for the Uneven Alternating Dynamics Symbol - Stefan is correct about that - I know I wouldn't use it - but on the other hand it is not wrong really if you do one side twice, and then the other side twice -


Val ;-)





On Nov 10, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:

Hi Charles, Valerie ,


just for fun and it is interesting to discuss this sign –


well I do not know what you want to do with your tongue –but if I assume to move it from the right punched out cheek to the opposite one several times – I  would prefer a different spelling.




I am interested in your opinion Valerie. Is it your understanding that both spelling describe the same performance? I would not think so.





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See Val's answer below...


Charles wrote:


Does the duplication arc work for a non-manual sign? 

This is Roubarse from the LIBRAS puddle. The tongue sweeps from one punched out cheek to the opposite one several times for this sign for "robbed" 

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Hello Charles and Everyone -


Yes. It does. It means you do the right side first in your example, because we are reading vertically top sign first...and then the left side happens second in your diagram - Attached is information about the dynamics symbol called "Un-Even Alternating Dynamics" ...







Read about it on this web page:


Movement Dynamics



Val ;-)

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