SignWriting List
March 8, 2012

Good morning, Ingvild and everyone -

Thank you for this message - It is really interesting. I had no idea. I do not remember the rule that you mention about keeping the line for the wrist at wrist level, but I wouldn't be at all surprised that we agreed to write it that way and then over time I started to apply the other rule, about the hand being the center, and the movement arrows pulling the hand in different directions… 

So yes, the Wrist movement symbols became more arbitrary for me, although the original intent is definitely that the line is for the wrist - so now you have me curious - smile - I am going to go back into our old textbooks to see if we stated a rule that the line for the Wrist should be kept at the level of the wrist -

Meanwhile, go right ahead and write the Wrist symbols at the level of the wrist - I can imagine all your documents are like that and it looks fine - there will most likely be different placements of the Wrist symbols then, in different documents, and we can all read the documents so it is fine -

There is another case similar to this issue, but for another symbol - the Rotation Symbols - which technically could be attached to the hand symbols like a forearm rotating - in another message I will show you what I mean - and if that idea was applied, then the consistency of placing the up movement above the hand symbols and the down movement below the hand symbols, would also be upset -

I am now going to look at my old textbooks - I really am curious - I am sure you and I did have an understanding years ago on this -

Val ;-)


On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:47 AM, Ingvild Roald wrote:

The placement of the line representing the rotation axis (the wrist itself) would then be far away from the actual location of the axis (wrist). This implies that the rules have been changed since we discussed them and created these symbols years ago, during one of my first visits to you. - The rules presented in the lessons may be better than the ones I have followed, as tehy give more consisrency to the reading/ writing. The little line would just seem as one (of very few) arbitrary symbols in the system.


Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:39:53 -0800
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Subject: Re: Movement of the wrist
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SignWriting List
March 7, 2012

Hello Madson and everyone -
Thanks for all the messages related to wrist movements - 

Madson - Have you read these web pages about two SignSpelling rules? These are old web pages but they hold valuable information. The two SignSpelling Rules influence my writing daily…After reading the rules, you can see that if the Wrist Movement is going up or forward, then the up arrows or forward arrows would be placed above the hand symbol, since the hand symbol in these cases are like the "center of the sign", but if the Wrist Movement is going down or back, then the Wrist Movement Symbol would be placed below the hand symbol - this is a general rule for movement arrow placement, in relationship to hand symbols. Of course there are exceptions - sometimes the face can be in the way and we have to move the arrows over to the side of the hand as you have written in your examples, but if possible, the up arrows should be above the hand symbol and also the forward arrows would be above the hand symbol. Take a look:

SignSpelling Rule 1

SignSpelling Rule 2: Every sign has a center

read all the way to…

More soon -

Val ;-)


On Mar 2, 2012, at 3:54 PM, Madson Barreto wrote:


These signs are spelled correctly?
We are in doubt as to differentiate the movement of the floors plane and the plane wall.

Madson and Raquel Barreto