Looking at the two fingers – ouch – wouldn´t it hurt? Just my feeling but I am no drummer ... ;-)) _____ Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton Gesendet: Samstag, 2. März 2013 22:01 An: [log in to unmask] Betreff: Re: QUESTION: Dynamics and Timing Symbols SignWriting List March 2, 2013 Please excuse my delay in answering this question. Thank you, Charles, for caring about writing and asking questions… Second, I saw that Madson and perhaps others answered you already on Facebook - and they wrote it well too...smile…so you are getting plenty of feedback... Thanks to everyone - Regarding the Strike symbol in your writing… The drum beat that you are trying to write below does not actually contact a surface but is mimicking the feeling of contacting a surface with the drumming movement - So that would not be written with a Strike Symbol, because the Strike must show contact with force, and there is no real contact happening…So the Tension Symbol at the end of the movement, or even the Fast Symbols would be substituted, rather than using the Strike symbols (if you feel they are necessary - they may not be - maybe too much detail?)... Regarding the Alternating Symbol - no I would not use that either. When we read a group of arrows with the left and right hands, we always read the arrows from the Center - Out. So the left and right arrow that are closest to the center are read first, and then read out one by one - so there is no need to also write an Alternating Symbol…since the Alternating feeling is already there if you follow the Center-Out rule... So I would write it this way, if we want to write lots of detail (smile): http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=12 <http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=12&sgn=46&sid=3264> &sgn=46&sid=3264 Val ;-) -------- On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> wrote: SignWriting List February 27, 2013 Hi Charles - Thank you for this question. I will post your question to the SignWriting List so others can learn too… There are three Timing Symbols… as you can see here: http://www.signbank.org/iswa/2f7_sg.html I will explain in detail next message - Val ;-) ------- On Feb 27, 2013, at 2:40 AM, Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Thank you, thank you.. <http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=M42x47S12d5115xn4 5S12d59n37xn46S231009xn6S23110n42xn5S20c0110x19S20c03n35x23S2fd00n12xn14&pad =10&name=Umbanda> Meanwhile Take a look at this sign. Do I need the alternating arcs. I've never been sure with this as one hand goes up as the other comes down. As there is no surface (it's a drum beat) is this the right movement. Should it be ~ instead ? Charles Butler [log in to unmask] 240-764-5748 Clear writing moves business forward.