Hello everyone,

Val I know, there is spiral upward movement arrow, but I don't know why, forward spiral is not included in ISWA.
Adam thanks for constructing spiral forward movement.
Adam and Charles, I think your elbow movement will work for me as well, but I am not sure if it is clear enought, that it is not hand but elbow movement.

Charles, please could you share movie of SeeSaw sign? Thanks.


On 14 May 2013 17:30, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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May 14, 2013

I think your attempt looks great, Adam -

It can be constructed nicely thank goodness -

Val ;-)


On May 14, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I, personally would see 1, 2, and 3 as loops because the movement is in a "line" or all on one plane, the wall or the floor for example. Spirals have a circular movement that travels rather than staying stationary. That would be like #4. The current ISWA does not have this same movement forward, so it has to be constructed. Here is my attempt.

Would this work for you Honza?


On May 14, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:

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May 14, 2013

For me, the term Spiral means a traveling circle…

Here are the three Spirals in the ISWA 2010:

1. Spiral Traveling Up parallel with the Wall Plane
2. Spiral Traveling Forward parallel with the Floor Plane
3. Spiral Traveling to the Side parallel with the Floor Plane

Then there is a fourth symbol:

Other than these four symbols, you will need to write a separate Circle symbol and combine it with other arrows, if you want something that is different than these pre-composed symbols -

So I am curious…what do other Spirals look like?

Val ;-)


On May 14, 2013, at 12:26 AM, Honza <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Adam and Val for your comments.

1 - I mean the elbow movement you can see in attached video.
4 - Adam, you are right, I mean forward spiral movement, that is different from the movement Val shown.


On 13 May 2013 17:58, Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Here are some replies from me below.


On May 13, 2013, at 6:16 AM, Honza wrote:

Hello Val,

I have some specific question:
  1. Is there way how to write down movement of an elbow? Maybe it is possible to use some "neutral" arrows for that somehow.
What type of movement of the elbow are you talking about? Can you show us what you mean?
  1. As you know, in Puddle there are two rub symbols. One "left" and one "right". Is there any difference in the direction of movements?
I guess in theory you could say there is a difference following the rotation of the curl, but most people don't really pay attention to that detail and only choice one. 
  1. I am not sure about using (( alternating lines. I don't see any way where this can be useful, due all information are included in movement arrows.
You are absolutely correct. That is the reason that I don't usually use most of the timing symbols because the movement arrows already tell me that information, but there are some people who feel that repetition of information is needed and therefore use it.
  1. Is there easy way how to write down circular+forward movement?
I know that Val replied already, but are you talking about a forward looping movement (which would be what Val showed) or are you talking about a forward spiral movement?

Thank you.