I only know that in Brazil, at least in my experience, they aren't mouthing every sound in a word in the process of sign language. It's not signed speech. 
 
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From: Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:54 AM
Subject: AW: Sign for Samba

Hi Charles,
 
well the facial expressions for the mouth is an important part of the information to understand the sign. Just take a video of someone saying “SAMBA”
 
You turn down the speakers and only watch his mouth... this is written and can be read without any guessing!
 
I want my deaf students to improve their spoken language skills. So they have to find a way to translate what is expressed but cannot be heard.
 
And of course Cherie ... it is the way you explain it. – smile
 
Stefan
 
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Makes sense, I don't really understand the Munder (mouth) shapes though they are consistent. 
 
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From: Cherie Wren <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Sign for Samba
 
no, the left hand is the white open hand, palm up, with thumb extended to the left,  the right hand is the black -and- half black hand "playing" on the white hand "drum"...
 
cherie
 
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Subject: Re: Sign for Samba
 
I am looking at the left hand (alone below) and the thumb is on a side that I can't wrap my head around. 
 
The left thumb is in the middle with the hand upward and out. That's not possible if this is meant to be expressive. 
 
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From: Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Sign for Samba
 
What about this with left flat hand ? [log in to unmask]">
 
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. September 2013 01:44
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No, I think I didn't explain very well =p
The handshape and orientation of the left hand is this[log in to unmask]" alt="Imagem inline 1"> , as if it were a pandeiro, not holding one pandeiro.
 
2013/9/23 Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]>
Hi Gustavo,
looking at you-tube videos ... I tried to write it this way –
 
left hand holding the pandeiro – right hand makes the thumb drumming ;-)
 
What do you think?
 
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All best Stefan
 
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I think that sign is a "iconic imitation" of the playng of 'pandeiro' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pandeiro_in_hands.jpg) - that is: the location is the 'passive' hand (an iconic pandeiro), and the active makes the "druming" (shaking the hand from the wrist). 
Sorry but I cannot insert this sign in the SignPuddle...
 
2013/9/23 Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]>
Hi Gustavo ...
 
Wow – thnk you so much for your quick answer
 
 
 
Any idea about a sign for  “Samba” ?
 
Stefan
 
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Rio de Janeiro, Handshape [Y], Movement: double 'brush' going down in the upper/proximal location of the arm.
 
 
2013/9/23 Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]>
Hi friends from Brazil,
 
can you support me?
I am looking for the name  sign of Rio de Janeiro  and a sign for the dance  “Samba”
 
Can you offer a SignPuddle -  graphic.. I need to translate tomorrow at school a document...
 
Thank you very much
 
All best
 
Sefan


 
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