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Hi Val,
    I am still have problems with Charles messages on the list.  For example, I never got the email from Charles below in either of my email accounts but got Adam´s reply to it in both of them.  I checked my spam folders and they are not there either. 

Just to let you know that the bug on the list software is still there.  Though I understand that you may not be able to do much about it.

So everybody please always reply to Charles so that I can know what he wrote :-) . LOL  Just kidding.

Regards,
Jonathan

On 9/8/2014 11:52 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
[log in to unmask]" type="cite"> So if I am reading this right, you are comparing two signs of DEAF. One with contact and one without. It seems that you are writing the SignSpelling Sequence following the basic Handshape-Location-Movement order. Ok. So that would mean that you would have DEAF with contact ordered as:

01-01-001-01-02-0204-01-002-01-01-0702-01-001-01-01-0102-03-001-01-01-0404-01-002-01-01-0502-01-001-01-01-01[log in to unmask]" height="11" width="10">

And DEAF without as:

01-01-001-01-02-02[log in to unmask]" height="30" width="21">04-01-002-01-01-07[log in to unmask]" height="35" width="36">02-03-001-01-01-04[log in to unmask]" height="14" width="13">04-01-002-01-01-05[log in to unmask]" height="35" width="36">

Assuming that you are using the Symbol Sequence that is inherit with the ISWA 2010, then DEAF with contact would come first before DEAF without contact because the first contact star in DEAF with contact comes before the arrow moment in DEAF without contact.

But I’m still not seeing what you are referring to. What exactly are you trying to do?

Adam

On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Adam and Jonathan.

What Jonathan and I are running up against is Sign-Symbol-Sequence by Syllable, so, for example with a sign like Deaf (with face contact) and Deaf (without face contact), I put the first and second positions of the face when there are no contacts but the hand is near the space BEFORE the writing where there is actual contact on the head. The only way to order them in a dictionary (for me) is to have distinct syllables and spellings within syllables. So that first-syllable INDEX HAND-NEAR EAR ARC-(second syllable)-NEAR MOUTH ARC  comes before (first syllable) HAND-EAR ARC-CONTACT-(second syllable)EAR-MOUTH-CONTACT. 

We are trying to order positions on the Head in relation to contacts with the Head in syllables. Trying to get a fixed order of relation to one part of a syllable to the next part. 
 
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From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Examples of Syllable 4: Detailed Sorting

I’m not sure what you mean by 1-3. Do you mean the location on the hand? And what do you mean by Top-Down for the Face?

As for the neck, I found this sign with SignSpelling Sequence.


For the shoulder, I found this sign with SignSpelling Sequence.


Adam



On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:56 AM, Jonathan Duncan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi,
    Does anybody have any SignSequence examples for

Syllable 4: Detailed Sorting
1. Location Dominant Hand
2. Location Non-Dominant Hand
4. Face (Top-Down)
5. Neck
6. Shoulder



I´ve looked through the sign spelling sequences for the ASL and only found examples for
3. Head
7. Torso
8. Hips & Legs

Thanks,

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