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Dear Prof Almeida,

Wonderful! All the best with your research proposal!

Regards,
Keren.

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>   1. Additional Handshapes
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> Date:    Wed, 27 Oct 2021 13:16:57 -0300
> From:    Profo Rubens Almeida <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Additional Handshapes
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> Hello Valerie, Adam and members of SWList,
>
> Indeed, this theme is the object of our research, because here in Brazil,
> Libras has many handshape that are not included in ISWA 2010, we are even
> working on the publication of the second volume of the book that makes this
> record with more handshape sent after the public consultation held in April
> 2020.
>
> I will insert in our proposal a request for partnership in some Brazilian
> university that is interested in supporting us with a project with software
> developers to create an "add-on" program or other alternative to help in
> this regard.
>
> We are hopeful that we will soon have a solution 😊🙏
>
> Hugs!
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> Em ter., 26 de out. de 2021 às 18:09, Valerie Sutton <
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> escreveu:
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> > SignWriting List
> > October 28, 2021
> >
> > First, I want to welcome a new member to our List, Keren Cumberbatch.
> > Thank you, Keren, for the questions about constructing handshapes.
> >
> > Second, many thanks to Adam and Sutthikhun (Ae), for your help. I do so
> > appreciate it.
> >
> > Before you joined, Keren, Adam and Sutthikhun (Ae) had already been
> > discussing your handshapes in question:
> >
> > [image: Screenshot 2021-04-10 at 12.29.59 AM.png]      [image: Screenshot
> > 2021-10-25 at 8.43.42 PM.png].
> >
> > I believe we all agree on the first one:
> >
> > It is the thumb inside a fist, with the index finger extended. It would
> be
> > two handshapes combined:
> >
> >
> > and of course there are different palm facings. This handshape needs to
> be
> > constructed because it is not a part of the official ISWA 2010 symbolset.
> > But all the pieces are there for you. Do you know how to access and find
> > those shapes in SignPuddle Online? I do not know how SooSL works with
> > handshapes.
> >
> > The second handshape is hard to see in the photo, but Adam and Sutthikhun
> > made different suggestions - You can find their earlier messages in the
> SW
> > List Archives for today:
> >
> > Archive 4
> > https://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/
> >
> > From your description, “ The second one which may be difficult to
> identify
> > is an index middle cross hinge, thumb side”, and looking at the
> > suggestions, it looks like to me that it is an R hand (crossed fingers)
> > angled forward, like the Letter N in ASL, but the thumb goes to the side,
> > like this:
> >
> >
> >
> > As you can see, this is also a constructed handshape and even if you want
> > to write it differently than I have posted above, we do not have it in
> the
> > ISWA 2010 either - so both handshapes have to be constructed.
> >
> > So what to do about needing more handshapes in the ISWA? It would be so
> > much chaos for the software developers who have already built their
> > software on the current symbolset to change the current symbolset now -
> the
> > best thing we could try, is for brave software developers to develop an
> > “add-on” program that could somehow be accessed on the side, while still
> > keeping the current software in tact.
> >
> > How do other people feel about this? Rubens Almeida and others have also
> > requested more handshapes. Is there anyone who can help this issue?
> >
> > Val ;-)
> >
> >
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> >
> > On Oct 25, 2021, at 6:46 PM, K Cumberbatch <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Ms Sutton,
> >
> > I am using SooSL for my research project and I noticed there are
> > some handshapes that are not included. I contacted Tim Grove. He said
> that
> > the handshapes are from SignWriting and I can contact SignWriting
> directly
> > about adding handshapes. I would like to know if new handshapes will be
> > added in the near future and if it is possible to add the 2 handshapes in
> > the attached pictures so that they can be included in SooSL. The second
> one
> > which may be difficult to identify is an index middle cross hinge, thumb
> > side.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Keren Cumberbatch.
> >
> >
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