SignWriting List
October 29, 2021

Hello Rubens, Adam, Steve, Tim, Keren, Ae, and everyone on the SW List -

Thanks to everyone for your interest in new handshapes….

Have you all seen a book that Rubens and his team already wrote about this subject? It is a lovely publication ;-)

Configuracoes de Mao

https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs13/sw1242_BR_INVENTARIO_DAS_CM_ELS_SW_Prof_Rubens_Almeida_04252020.pdf

It gladdens my heart to learn that you are working on the idea of providing add-on software for new handshapes, Rubens.

Steve is working full-time elsewhere and is donating his time to SignWriting on the weekends, and I am retired but working anyway (smile)! So we all, including Adam and other friends and signwriters, are donating our time and all of you too - here on the SignWriting List - sharing ideas and supporting each other -

So thank you, Rubens. Have you started some kind of a record of the requests for new handshapes all over the world? Or is your work confined tro LIBRAS?

How do you propose going about this kind of a database?

Val ;-)

-------------




On Oct 27, 2021, at 9:16 AM, Profo Rubens Almeida <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hello Valerie, Adam and members of SWList,

Indeed, this theme is the object of our research, because here in Brazil, Libras has many handshape that are not included in ISWA 2010, we are even working on the publication of the second volume of the book that makes this record with more handshape sent after the public consultation held in April 2020.

I will insert in our proposal a request for partnership in some Brazilian university that is interested in supporting us with a project with software developers to create an "add-on" program or other alternative to help in this regard.

We are hopeful that we will soon have a solution 😊🙏

Hugs!
____________________

Em ter., 26 de out. de 2021 às 18:09, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> escreveu:
SignWriting List
October 28, 2021

First, I want to welcome a new member to our List, Keren Cumberbatch. Thank you, Keren, for the questions about constructing handshapes.

Second, many thanks to Adam and Sutthikhun (Ae), for your help. I do so appreciate it.

Before you joined, Keren, Adam and Sutthikhun (Ae) had already been discussing your handshapes in question:

      .

I believe we all agree on the first one:

It is the thumb inside a fist, with the index finger extended. It would be two handshapes combined:



and of course there are different palm facings. This handshape needs to be constructed because it is not a part of the official ISWA 2010 symbolset. But all the pieces are there for you. Do you know how to access and find those shapes in SignPuddle Online? I do not know how SooSL works with handshapes.

The second handshape is hard to see in the photo, but Adam and Sutthikhun made different suggestions - You can find their earlier messages in the SW List Archives for today:

Archive 4
https://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/

From your description, “ The second one which may be difficult to identify is an index middle cross hinge, thumb side”, and looking at the suggestions, it looks like to me that it is an R hand (crossed fingers) angled forward, like the Letter N in ASL, but the thumb goes to the side, like this:




As you can see, this is also a constructed handshape and even if you want to write it differently than I have posted above, we do not have it in the ISWA 2010 either - so both handshapes have to be constructed.

So what to do about needing more handshapes in the ISWA? It would be so much chaos for the software developers who have already built their software on the current symbolset to change the current symbolset now - the best thing we could try, is for brave software developers to develop an “add-on” program that could somehow be accessed on the side, while still keeping the current software in tact.

How do other people feel about this? Rubens Almeida and others have also requested more handshapes. Is there anyone who can help this issue?

Val ;-)


-----------------

On Oct 25, 2021, at 6:46 PM, K Cumberbatch <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear Ms Sutton,

I am using SooSL for my research project and I noticed there are some handshapes that are not included. I contacted Tim Grove. He said that the handshapes are from SignWriting and I can contact SignWriting directly about adding handshapes. I would like to know if new handshapes will be added in the near future and if it is possible to add the 2 handshapes in the attached pictures so that they can be included in SooSL. The second one which may be difficult to identify is an index middle cross hinge, thumb side.


Regards,
Keren Cumberbatch.



________________________________________________

SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION

Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask]

Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask]

SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist

Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1



-- 

________________________________________________

SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION

Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask]

Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask]

SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist 

Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1


Val ;-)





Valerie Sutton
[log in to unmask]

________________________________________________

SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION

Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask]

Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask]

SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist

Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1